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it's the world's funniest musical Mamma Mia at the Novello Theatre you already know you get a love it hello welcome to the media podcast I'm acting on the show today reach staff striking Devonport pay for high-pressure workloads discontent broadcast could BBC journalist join the picket lines next and snap scales in response to the economic crisis, what does a restructure mean for the social media company share their big plans for the newsagents podcast cover who's been under the spotlight in the industry this week.

That's all coming up in this edition of the media podcast so in the news this week Netflix brings forward the launch of its ad-supported to it with a November release date Disney

Isn't far behind with ads coming in December the company's also reportedly exploring an Amazon Prime style membership program offering discounts and perks in the world news TV news is shaking up.

It's stars replacing all of his mid afternoon shows including Alex Phillips and Colin Brazier and the campaign to save Channel 4 from privatisation continues TV producers heard the UK's next p.m.

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Sale of the broadcaster a letter from 786 firms length support warning that the cells with damaged their businesses and be a distraction during these uncertain economic Times news James cridland.

Been in Dallas for podcast movements had that will go.

It went very good very very very tiring but very clear that there's a bunch of money going into the podcast industry over there, but it was serve 5 Days of you.

No chicken basically and what were the big topics it was interesting spotting that the land for the sounds profitable day was sponsored by Disney advertising who you know very clearly.

I'm getting very deep into the podcast world, but just everytime I go there you see more and more of these large brands that you know jumping into into the podcast world Talbot Charlotte welcome back this week one was a Bill Turnbull BBC breakfast presenter.

Who is Charles Wilson who is the former times editor Charles is likely to be remembered sort of editors? You don't get anymore.

Maybe this isn't the one thing he wants to be remembered for but he was the time said it to that fired Boris Johnson for faking a quote about as one of only three journalist fired under Charles Wilson's editorship.

So that must have been quite a high bar.

Clearly knew what he was doing ok until after the story of this week in a bit of disruption in the world of journalism on Wednesday 1150 journalist reach across the UK and Ireland went on strike witches news sites include the Daily Mirror Daily Express Manchester Evening News and the Liverpool Echo the story quite closely what's been happening, what what are all the staff?

So basically, it's about the annual pay deal reach offered them a pay rise of 3% or minimum of £750 and they basically said quite strongly.

No, that's not enough.

We want more with the cost of living going up and that doesn't cover inflation you give me a real terms pay cut even more than that by herself really upset them was the size of the earnings that their chief executive Jim Mullen is getting there's this figure.

That's always landed about 4 million in reality not as much as that because a lot of that is in shares that he can't access yet and the share price has gone down since that was sort of first released but even in his face Accelerate you know he did get a pay rise in and staff basically saying you no more.

We are the ones that produce all of the content that enables reach to make money.

We should be being paper with Ellie

I am a strict the feeling is obviously quite strong because it was a pretty high turnout and vote on the Ballot that's lead to the strike action 100 destroyed go would readers of note will there be an impact on online use of the websites on Wednesday it was definitely less than you do obviously by having fewer people and obviously the benefits of having a massive.

Shall I creatures they can share stuff across the site, so you know they might have someone in London still working and they can use that across lots of the different sites of they need to be there was a bit of accidental application within the paper as well.

So basically casual readers might not have noticed but you know definitely obviously wasn't nearly the same service that they would you say yeah, I'm junior employees reported earning less than £20,000 a year even after a year of training of a asking too much of a journalist for two little boys that are sustainable.

Patient it feels like in liquid journalism has been a thing for a long time but that maybe this is a Turning Point if people are saying you know we have had enough you know we do the story with people saying they had to do second jobs and actually at some of these bar jobs.

They were earning more or they had to delay their wedding because they can afford it and that's so interesting to hear the sort of real-life reasons people felt that they need this pay rise of more than 3% but it does really feel like this is a Turning Point especially with all the other strikes across various Industries as well at the moment responded by saying that 2022 continues to be extremely challenging for the whole publishing sector with reduced demand for advertising energy inflation and the cost of newsprint at record levels James is understandable themselves might be under a bit of a crunch right now.

Disney the case I think everywhere we've just seen a bunch of involuntary redundancies from news corp here in Australia a possible as much as 30, but certainly more than 15 or so and you know it's very clear that as we head into a recession as we're clearly going to be doing that companies are just taking a look at the money and working out where they can make it a bit of savings right now.

I'm here 20 grand as a local journalist just of subsidising the paper and even though it might be in a your big desire and the things you always wanted to do this people show you all look for work outside of the the media sector and who played them I suppose that lot of is a lot of benefits by paying somebody what they really worth that not assuming that somebody wants to desperately get into the print Media which you know to be fair is not.

The excitement is the days the excitement is in other places so I think it's always worthwhile keeping an eye on that and keeping making sure that your business is as competitive as it's me to attract new people who is radio radio and print have never had the highest salaries as you said there.

There's lots of places you can go in digital media which colour as Fernhill to the breaching lots of audiences, put the the pace better.

I'm definitely a podcast production to radio it certainly much more healthy state you better the whole ecosystem is universal covers better as well.

You have less editorial guidelines to worry about you have less people telling you that you can't eat that and you can only tweet this you know and so honest I think as we've seen over the last year of many people leaving the BBC and leaving other large organisations as well with very clearly seeing the people leave.

Not just for higher wage packets, but also their leaving for more creative freedom and I think that's certainly a part of that if you're a creative person well further strikes a planned on September 3014 and 15th, but it isn't something that's just that contain to reach over at the BBC newsroom strikes are also brewing because the BBC centenary celebrations in October could be strike action the pros channel closure a lot of 70 jobs forms part of a 500 million cost cutting a restructure by director-general Tim Davie the BBC have got to save a lot of money is doing it in the new channel the right thing.

I think certainly taking a look at her duplication is important.

I don't think that anybody watch cheese large international news channels like CNN Fox News for their global shows I think we watch them because it tells us what's going on you know in CNN case in the US and I think similarly it's very weird watching the BBC

News channel to see lots of stories about other places but not very many stories about the UK so I think from my point of view.

I find it very strange being an expat here in Australia and and realising that the only real way to get news from the UK is either to watch Sky News UK or to listen to frankly to LBC News update rather than be more global stuff.

You can get from the BBC so I think you know there's certainly an opportunity there for the BBC to be a little bit more you in its output and I think it'll be interesting seeing what happens when they do merge the channels that the Guardians also speculated that a recent GB news shake up.

They changed schedule this week.

Maybe in preparation to fill with domestic news gaps of the new BBC News Channel might have a looking to fill this gap or or should the BBC be.

Get the plans at 4 p.m.

UK audiences.

I mean I mean of congested this sort of initial reports saying about the BBC channel merger saying I didn't think you have a bad impact on competition fine but also keeping an eye on sort of the quality of and quantity of the news output.

Yes, it's a DVD smart TVs new shows to be used a and TV news live if we don't know exactly what they look like it, but they do certainly sounds a bit more like rolling all breaking news rather than just the panel type so I would argue that whatever else TV news might be able to see that very very different to BBC News and it's Public Service Broadcasting requirements and it's impossible delivering of news to UK audiences, so I do think if staff within BBC News itself.

Concerned about the risk to UK news output than we should probably listen to their concerns because they're the One S in the best and it will still be able to change to having to dedicated quite different services with the sofa.

Just trying to keep the status Quo going staff at the BBC trying to keep things away that they've always I can't I couldn't think that will never happen.

I think there's a little bit of that, but I also think that you know you can't you can clearly see that you can't necessarily produce thing which is going to be as interesting to somebody who's watching the BBC World News Channel in Melbourne or in San Francisco as in Doncaster and in Cardiff you know there are clearly differences in terms of that and I'm sort of slightly worried about the idea of squeezing in the UK news into the into the ad breaks which is what some people say that is.

She going to happen so it will be interesting that you know waiting to see what happens, but clearly the BBC is somewhere you know and I only spent 2 years there, but my goodness the amount of change in two years was quite something and I'm sure the people are basically trying to go enough change.

We need to focus on what we actually doing it's been a tremendously complicated last 2 years with an awful.

Lot of broadcasting from home and broadcasting using new technology so actually having some kind of certainty for where your head is will be really helpful.

I think well BBC and Lexi me.

I want me only platforms facing challenges this week snap announce two major restructure laying off 20% of its staff cancel the original shows in app games and several other projects.

I'll see their snapchat app.

Obviously James it's sad news for the stuff this week a rapid turnaround when earlier this year there were seven dancing big ambitions for new original content.

This rapid downturn for the company and I think it's not just a snap.

I think it's you know many different online companies who you know it again potentially looking at a title belts potentially looking at how much revenue they're actually getting from these things you know obviously quibi was a massive failure last year or the year before looking at doing much the same sort of content photo snap was doing Facebook has stopped paying out as much do content creators as well recently medium is stopping some of its contents pending as well, so my suspicion is that is quite a lot of sort of tightening of belts as people rework.

How much money they actually spending on the content that are creating Charlotte they are paying back the original content in game stuff.

Do you think should have paring it all back and sticking to the knitting is going to help them recover a bit like.

It's been mad and then people copying tiktok in different ways.

It does kind of feel like if they just stick to what Snapchats does best, but you know why people still like it then maybe that's the best rather than spreading themselves teeth in yesterday.

I'm press that I had a an interview with the CEO of pinkneys and we were talking about gen Z spend a long time talking about how amazing Snapchat discover had been for them.

I mean still as he's very happy in terms of their advertising revenue potential, but yeah, it's interesting that then announced it was stitching its original shows on Discovery but for now.

I don't think it's affecting the news content if they stick to sort of the basic tenants of the app and what it originally got big for them.

That is probably sensible right now.

Does much anticipation for the launch of the newsagents podcast this week globals new offering from Emily maitlis, Jon Sopel and Lewis Goodall producer denotes office of one-third of a talent Lewis Goodall caught up with me the morning after the shows launch Lewis began sharing way he decided to jump into the world of podcasting.

Well.

I think it was very exciting and very exciting projects not really been tried before you look the news industry in the lot of ways does lots and lots of innovation and different bits of it.

You know the BBC is a great organization organization etc.

Etc.

It is dominated by you know big that would like the term but you know what I mean by Legacy Media organisations where sometimes it can be a little bit difficult to get new things off the ground project notable exception and you know this was a project which are often get the opportunity to help shape craft something in Thai Lee new from scratch and given the quality of

Involved in my office.

I knew John someone had great mind for a very long time you know to me it increasingly be completely just an opportunity that was that was too good to miss me at heart always been so TV newsman.

Love TV news of a craft of making TV news.

I love everything about it in many ways.

I think there's a real moment of change within TV news in the industry and global have big video ambitions really big video ambitions and they wanted someone to help them bring that alarm and you no chance to sort synthesise that with what we doing on the podcast with just be really exciting I just thought in the end.

Why not so you're kind of presenting that the Friday episodes, but also getting a bit more involved in the in the TV offering what what's Friday is going to sound like an what are your video plans to sit around around the podcast for Global I think it's important that the Friday episode 10 Joanna Lumley won't be there.

It's not going to feel.

Not the different show the same sure it's still a newsagents.

It's just going to be not least because you know as I was yesterday.

I'll be on shows from Monday to Thursday you know on a regular basis doing different things so you know it's not going to feel like a can of completely different thing inevitable.

It will be slightly different and you know people will be able to see in the Friday to come how it is different in terms of the video offering look as a safe with Global VR missions there really really keen to get into video journalism video reporting and that is my kind of bread and butter what I say.

Love to do what I think has taken the weather news environment is at the moment generating normal response from audiences.

I think it's fair to say that video journalism sick in the British market at the moment does not have a non-traditional sense does not have a normal structure in particular with younger viewers and I think that is something in a look at the most recent accommodate if you want to know that you know I think there is a real challenge about Rhian

The TV news package for a new age something I've always been very strong and then I was talking a lot with Global about when we're in discussions about this is that you know if you go back to say 2002 or bulletin from 2002 that different to what it doesn't 20-22 now.

There is almost no other bit of television that one can say that about.

I think is a really interesting challenge.

That's just an opportunity.

Would you just there for the taking about reinventing? What that TV news package looks like for a digital age? I think if we can even get half close to that.

We will have to be doing something very exciting that others will speak to me like a younger audiences who who is the target audience for this is it kind of America listeners is a younger audiences, where do you think you're going to be coming from and who are they in terms of where people are coming from? I think definitely there's a huge appetite as I needed to at the start of America

Listeners who really like John and Emily's chemistry who waiting for this and that's great and we want to be a home for them and that's why we are still no generally also want to talk about America a lot.

So that's going to be a staple of what we do, but look I think we really want to push to try and attract more younger listen.

It's absolutely still hungry for the news.

We know that all the data.

They are absolutely ravenous revenues while we're not talking about sometimes.

I think you've been talking about this 20-years ago.

You would have been talking about our generation which was relatively depoliticize.

I think when do you know I'm growing up all the talk and no one was interested in politics.

It was a depoliticize time.

It was deeply boring no one that is so not true.

So not true.

So this is huge market would not like no one's feeding it or is it because you did but there is an opportunity to extract absolutely and we know from producing podcast before there lots of young listeners, who are hungry for this content you want to consume news.

Different way, so we want to be a space for them to do that on a daily basis and that's why alongside the audio strategy as you know that the podcast industry is evolving on a daily basis and it's not just audio visualisation is really important to the fact that we we we clipping and pushing our clips out on tiktok which is probably going to end up being on main social platform.

I think for generating content to call audiences in three different platforms to come back to the podcast and also as well.

I would like to think that we will try and attract in politics is a big part of what we do, but we never set out to just create another podcast for the SW18 sets that there's plenty of that and we would love them to listen and look you know I know there are lots of people like me you're a bit weird and listen to kind of like 20 hours of political podcast so I'm sure I'm sure that we lots of people who will listen to you know senpai.

Plastic podcast of the New Statesman and listen to this as well.

That's great and they might choose the episodes depending on what interesting that's absolutely brilliant, but what you want to do is create a habit.

We want people to find this is a useful space to learn about what's going on in the world already seen a few messages, which I've seen him a few people saying things like I never subscribe to a podcast before I have now.

Oh, no, that is that is true.

I wasn't thinking of her, but you know a couple of people but yes that is true my mum good lover but you know I'm already listening to this.

This is my daily walk but more with the dog one of my days like you know if someone who you know has made his career as a television news which is far more kind of regimented about when you watch it and how it's almost a bit like a can of ritual that you that is a kind of level of kind of intimacy if you like which I think is just kind of is thrilling create a large community.

And eventually might we have ambitions to take this show on the road.

We want to do live shows we want to really reach out to lots of people and have them feel that their part this club that we're creating and that's what everybody is supposed to do in podcasting and Lewis Goodall from the newsagents that started out every weekday, and late today Friday will be Lewis's first solo through so watch out on global player or your podcast app of choice and if you hear of full interview with you guys one up become a support set of the show on patreon.

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Toby and James cridland for another Australian one for our special guest James this week Chris Dawson the subject of the popular true Crime podcast the teacher's pet was convicted of killing his wife Lynette Dawson James tell us a bit about the background and what's your reaction to this so the latest profile development that was really heavily promoted by the Australian which is Rupert Murdoch national newspaper here and a large broadsheet paper.

I think it was the first show ever to be promoted on the front page of the paper almost every single week being fair Hedley Thomas who hosts the the teacher's pet he started his investigation and the podcast at the same time as the New South Wales police at reopen there enquiry so might not be entirely true.

I can't lead directly to Chris Dawsons arrest but and we should also nobody has yet to be sentenced as well, so it's interesting from that regard that you know clearly of the reason.

Why most people know about this particular case now is because of the podcast but the podcast also almost meant that he got off you know the the podcast nearly the entire trial because what Chris Dawsons Liars were arguing was that the show had made it almost impossible to find a witness who haven't heard the show and I might have stopped the chance of a fair trial so they managed to delay the court case for 9 months the podcast hasn't been available here since 2019.

I believe it to his schedule to go live again once more tomorrow and then the entrance door has got a trial without jury.

So you know it's the questions there.

I think in terms of what true Crime podcasts can do in something which is a cold Case

Might end up actually stopping a court case from actually happening podcast I having real-world implications on court case is I hate me.

I don't imagine it's something that produces a thinking that much about but it could cause problems later.

Yeah, I mean it's certainly could I mean you no justice Elizabeth Fullerton who was the Justice who was there to basically work whether or not the case should go ahead or not is she ended up saying that you know it was a real need for journalists and broadcasters.

She calls this or podcast is to apply a restraint if we were to assist with the fundamental rights of a person accused of a serious crime to be tried in a court of law not a court of public opinion and I think one of the additional things here is it is a Cortina I like you from Radio background.

I've done quite a lot of entertaining Media training and quite a lot of podcast as simply haven't and quite a lot of podcast think that they can talk about.

Stuff without really knowing some of the ins and outs in terms of what you can actually say so my suspicion is that we will see podcasts in the future, which actually stop a case going ahead and possibly allow some of the guilty to go free that you're in them off actual world, but is it troubling when murder convictions entangled with a true Crime genre bit of a blurry space between sensationalised storytelling and an investigation.

I guess my Thomas you know me so don't see proper jealous traditionally I think he's jealous.

Where is my concern would be particularly with the fact that you pick up a microphone and and try and be a podcast you know some of those do you get big and then if there's people without any Media law training in particular?

Getting big and deciding to try true Crime maybe that's when the problems will be because you knowing newspapers and things say of someone to say to a feature or Radio 4 series about a cold case it would be legalised so heavily and they probably would take a lot of these more problematical sensations details out.

Where is podcast as maybe maybe kids could get a bit more rogue and that probably is something that we need to be careful about thanks both I think I've just got enough time for the media is bad luck this week.

We're play who's in the spotlight.

I'm looking for three figures or companies who have been called out in the media this week, but in with your name if you know the answer say James you say James and Charlotte you will say excellent right here we go question number one who was caught on hot mic over some podcasting rivalry.

Yes, Charlotte say the times you feel this it was the answer is Ros Atkins who is hosting the media show and basically when they are episode 2 BBC sounds there was a bit of hot Mike left at the end of it.

I think and it's basically had was Atkins saying that sell BBC journalist Adam Fleming had sent him my message because they've done an episode of the media show about news podcasts and had had Adam or a colleague from the BBC on.

Yes, it was pretty unfortunate and Buzz around BBC news room and then off to the Times play, so you know I mean normally they take the program which has been made.

Not you no taking some sort of random bit of you know hot mics at the end.

I am fascinated to learn how.

Actually, got on there in the first place sounds like a new True Crime podcast an accent to hot-wire Cos ever happened to you.

I did once where very very very loudly on a motor radio station in West Yorkshire and I managed to just about get away with it.

Ok to who rolled up Nick Robinson after interview at the last minute.

He wasn't Charlotte yes, she said that she could no longer spare the time and Nick responded of an article on the BBC at least they put on The One Show and things and talked about why politicians increasingly see TV and radio interview as a risk and not an opportunity.

That's what's happening here in the UK over the past he is a lot of moment.

That had happened you know there was all the stuff about a boycott of the government of Good Morning Britain then you know Boris Johnson going to a fridge and then maybe them or fast I think there are other examples of a things more like this Liz trust and think there was another interview earlier in this leadership race that it took her quite a while to sort of a greedy there are times when no one from the government has been available to talk about for example the energy crisis.

So it does feel like it's gone that way you need the media as much as they used to do that.

They can you control their own message and disseminated to their own channels know and I think particularly with Liz truss she wants to avoid a Malling from Robinson it will only do her harm if she's in in the lead by by all accounts at the moment and frankly if you know we don't get to vote anyway.

It's up to the 0.4% or whatever it is.

Of the UK who are conservative party members that's not forget that Nick Robinson told Boris Johnson when he was prime minister to stop talking when he last interviewed him, you know I think the BBC do you get very annoyed when somebody says no, I don't think I want to be interviewed as if they've got some kind of right but they're really don't in this particular case and I think this is probably enough wanting to keep it incredibly safe so that she sales then and is the saviour that the UK desperately needs a bit of a problem from a sudden from the public position of the person that's on next prime minister.

Isn't being asked the tough questions that we would like to know the answers to a point but I also think at the moment you know it's not really up to the public who the next prime minister is going to be that's a wider issue, which you know it's certainly should be had a look at but I think.

This particular case really the Liz truss Rishi Sunak competition isn't something that the public can really do very much about what I'm hoping is that once is crowned as a new queen then she does go and do a bunch of these interviews and I think it would be an important thing for her to do well a question number three and James is your last chance clawback a little bit of Glory which social platform frustrated journalists by breaking its own embargo.

I do hate embargoes, but as soon as a company break sanambar.

Go then so far as I'm concerned there isn't an embargo anymore and I will just publish anyway.

This is the story that Twitter has that they've added an edit button.

There was a huge bunch of tweets from somebody called Sam Harrison who's product lead on edit tweet.

And they said it took a talented team across product engineering design research data Science marketing comms legal and trust and safety to make it happen.

It's only an edit button as it possibly take 1 people to make it happen, but still there we are so Twitter managed to break their own vargo and publish about the new edit button 20 minutes early which is quite a lot of tech journalists to edit your tweets.

You've got to be careful with it and it could have been misused is obviously people you know think they're liking or sharing something in good faith, and then this week.

It's changed and then obviously people can can do that quite bad Faith ways, but I think it seems like they have got around quite well.

You're going to be able to view the Edit history essentially a bit like on like Wikipedia or something I guess.

Which I think should work and you can only had it for 30 minutes of I mean, I've seen people saying that's too long anyway.

I mean if you've got a typo or you realise you should have included something or whatever you want to realise that before half an hour.

I think 15 minutes or 10 minutes will be fine, but yeah, hopefully at least I think they got around this potential bad face problem discussion system that I build a while back and the rule was really simple you can edit your own post until someone else interact with it like reply once they've replied to it.

You can't edit your message anymore and I think that's probably sensible way of doing things.

I mean I was just eat with this one.

Why don't you just delete the tweet and rewrite it? I mean it's a bit of a pain, but least there's a clarity with it.

I mean it's been quite a few new product announcements from Twitter recently one around podcast they've been added to sort of Twitter around Twitter spaces.

They're should have audio interview system.

You had a look at the podcasting picture.

Yes, I mean I've had a bit of a look at it.

It's it's a very weird podcasting feature because you won't be able to choose the podcast that you listen to It's base a playlist of shows that it thinks you might like based on the people who you follow and the subject that they end up tweeting about so it's not really a podcast app, but it's a new way of getting your shows out there the frustrating thing.

I think is that it's only available to people whose language is English but also Tony available to people who they've turned on an understanding is it's less than 10% of people who actually have Twitter so there are quite a few podcasters who have no idea what this platform looks like or indeed how to make sure that shows appear on the platform as well and having will just have to wait and see what the deal is that well done Charlotte two points to one as a prize you get to Host your own true Crime podcast.

Only on Twitter thanks both of the James how can people find out what your writing about her everyday about podcasting at news.net stop.co.uk and our weekly podcast of future Media explained back after summer break now.

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