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It's me write a Maggie Brown hello.

Hello.

I gather you been winding down by the BBC this week are having a big Shakespeare extravaganza.

That's the basic thing and I went to the Globe that they were just a lot of people who you occasionally bump into because they're very grand.

So it was a very useful event for me and I was very pleased actually outside my TV work about the entertainment director of heat magazine or Hilton thank you.

How you made it very clearly need to be gone the swiftly.

What are you trying to get to I've got 6:30 screening nearby.

I think we next goal wins which is the comedy drama fictionalised version of the documentary the same name about the American Samoan football team trying to get into the world right now.

Have a lovely documentary great and I'm very much looking forward to this film version 20 so should be in your screen highlights bit of the past few weeks.

What should we be looking out for you not supposed to talk about them and they do both story this week from the the the Williams Brothers did The Tourists it was if that wasn't wasn't in Barbados it was very very good and what TV channel TV channel in a few weeks time.

His first King speech to parliament on Thursday and within its we more information on the long-awaited media bit off this has been waiting for quite a long time Maggie can you remind us what's in it to me? Well? I think that there seems to be a quarter of Cameron the broadcasters.

I would say and I do think is in the bill, but I've got events happened.

I think the key thing that we do know about is that he's been accepted that the public service broadcast as a TV channel all the rest of it should basically be given prominence on whatever guides of the future bring to ASDA skewers, and this is a security guarantee some extent.

I mean you can't make people watching anything but I do think that is pretty much you know signed and sealed the things are course which they the other things I've we can discuss here.

Is a big moved and I was not initially in favour of this but Channel 4 is is going to get the right to not just commission programs that can make and it can keep the rights to the programme stuff how much if there's anything figure put on the percentage but first.

I thought it was a really bad idea because we know the Channel 4 Time didn't began in 82 very much as the commissioner only and of course it has actually said this incredible growth in independent production ways, they make these programs famous they pay for them and then the company has gone and sell them around the world and they they just get my change my mind really is that it's quite clear Channel 4 does need bolstering on under it is purely at the moment dependant on advertising and a few other things films of course if they make her.

How much they do from time to time so as I started looking back over remember? I broke my second channel 4 really a history which sort of ended in 21/22 very much caught up in the final you know bits of covid affecting everybody and I thought about it.

I was thinking of all the problems that have led to Channel 4 having quite a week schedule using programs.

I just cannot watch which are basically sponsor programmes.

There's a lot of sponsorship going on now.

It is it matters because we do want the best quality we can possibly get from a channel like that, but that has a lot of freezing if it if it chooses to exercise and has a course in produce a lot of really good and original artwork and stars so from that point of view.

I was worried during the long debate about privatisation that if I said anything about it particularly apart from saying the status Quo so good idea.

We would.

The alienating one of the huge support to Solutions of course the production sector but now I think that this is the time to actually free up Channel 4 and I think we'll have it.

I think that is definitely going through what was what's interesting me though to is that if you've been and I have been listening to a lot of the debates going on in quite high places.

There's a definite sense that the government wants a strong public service broadcaster broadcast the stairs rather.

I do think that they are operating now in a match kinda and understood despite attempts to say what is impartiality? What is this? What is that? I think that there's definitely addosso the factors that however you you look at it.

You do have to have your own national broadcasters or whatever content makers whatever we want to call them and I think that.

Go back to the Shakespeare season which is happening when it starts unravelling properly next week, sorry Gary Connor and and and and also being released will see you again the BBC doing things which only they can I mean for example to be digging up for the showing Shakespeare plays including one that was made 100 years ago.

So I think I think she's literally one of the best ones.

I've seen since the Conservatives from a government in 2010 when you actually look back over these past 13 years you can see the damage has been done when you have a hostile government BBC funding down 31% as for see the Welsh channel in a 36% and struggling.

We do need would you need people in government who actually cherish the BBC is not just people like me.

Broadcasting code will start to apply for some of the stream as they talk about it the largest most TV like vod services.

I think this sort of complying anyway aren't they I mean Netflix and prime video and Disney polies all the stream.

Is that really go for the kind of controversial news E-Type coverage that you know channel GB news on whatever might end up.

You know be more challenging for Ofcom and if they suddenly start in a commissioning ex Tory Prime Ministers to do chat shows something like that on Netflix is the rating of the nose of a kind of slap a 12 certificate.

I wonder whether Ofcom might end up slightly getting involved in that kind of thing which probably would worry the those those streamers, but I don't think there's much content to use the word everyone hates that would walk the trouble of come too much right now and broadcasters expanding that potentially to Radio as well, aren't they and allowing also instructed list of Amazon echos of this world to make sure that our public service or life radio can appear on devices as well as I mean one of the small things that's worrying me though because I quite a lot of the time in Wales is that whatever happens that we do have to understand that there are parts of rural and remote parts of the UK where it is.

Two are both to access often was reduced to longwave and it's not it's not that people don't know that.

It's just that the whole of the media business is really driven by urban centres, and I think that that does have to be considered and also quite alarms but not totally alarm to about the state of the Welsh language broadcasters people forget really that it is not just a broadcasting or Media is Stewarts it's a social settlement with themselves a country so we do have to have a consideration for that.

They are losing a little bit of the edge.

It's partly I think some of the changes in distribution and the they were doing actually quite well, when they were able to reach Welsh speakers across the UK not.

That has come into a bit of a difficult period so there has been leadership travels and there's been a bit like Channel 4 where does being pressured to ensure that you are commissioning not just in Cardiff but so they have another base in Carmarthen and they of course have this tense relationship BBC as well, which is now funding them, so there's a lot of tension around on the other hand we've seen the make very good bilingual dramas, and I'm sure you would agree with me on this clever.

I didn't they film the shows in Welsh language and English language the same time.

They don't have her listed events in Wales like we have fun even though they have well.

I'll give you a very good rugby team and I'm very pleased to see one of them one of the new commissions they've got his for.

Rugby show to take kids from the streets and turn them into what's the last Indies to think big as he announces the return of the contestable fund this is funded by group M entertainment isn't it? They sort of the people behind that the love Island for man that stands in the thing is in a lot of TV pies and continue to want to do that.

Yes, they're asking for in the ideas to bold for other broadcasters which I think is obviously exactly what channel 4 show me doing and right from the start you know that's been there really really so is she is kind of a reminder but I do think I need that thing is you will see me before about you know the current Petersfield how many people have been saying this for 30 years, but it does feel safe to say you know.

It's on the 9th, It's a Sin didn't like that like that comedy drama every year or so, I think at the moment seems to be mainly English language versions of Walter presents shows and then there's another one coming on doesn't feel very daring or bold so I welcome you know if they do a dramatisation of hand adding Doris tried to private island for you didn't understand how the funding it works.

I can't see that turn turn turn the Channel 4 news recent victories over into a drama and maybe Strip Presents

I like it I suppose as international No Love It or not had a relaxing former and even that's funny as last year did the voice control is about it seems to have settled down think I was doing well, so is inherently can always said it's for meant to say I'm going on for that long.

Maybe does Mr but I think it's fine.

I think you know that the refresh the presenters or whenever I think I think it's going to be honest.

I've been pretty much concentrating on news and current affairs and of course has been so much more and I live in a household with mad people you have to take a decision.

Are you going to actually go along with being interested in Sport or are you actually going to go and sit in another woman? What's another?

Linear channels additionally a channel is about having live programming or things that the streamers sort of can't compete with a lot of leaning into that show more videos still has a couple of big days weeks of Premier League football tonight all the games in various weeks.

That's there's another coming up soon Before Christmas I think one of one of those events Netflix having had its first Live Gold has can approach to get thing so I think they're all looking into that so I think we should worry about that.

I thought prime video coverage of footballs perfectly fine discussing the commission slow down over the past few months we can have all the channels, but there's been a bit of disquiet about Channel 4 and have it dealt with some of the Indies any of that being fixed or is it still in the doldrums?

Well, I can't say I'm I really know because what I think is going on is something else.

I don't I think Channel 4 has had a lean period it's now got as far as I can see I'm not I'm not entirely sure whether there are two camping to Leeds is working or not and then of course I have another cup to commissioning centres and so I just don't think it's quite working as adult to yet, and it may be is no that then there's been a lot of turnover conditions as well as lost.

What about to lose Steph's packed lunch from that of course what happened was I mean it was sad really but it's quite a brave idea to try and do it for to us and it she was completely hit by Coven so so Steph McGovern had time off and then they

How much does again and the people behind it a very professional but I have tried to watch it and all I can say is that it never really in my opinion justify this lightly slightly slightly younger version of this morning or Never quality to let you know this morning is still my daytime show magazines.

Yeah, I'll be surprised if you think she's a fantastic.

I mean you know knowledgeable presenter somebody tried it on when the camera goes on these like that.

You know I think you know there's loads of experience as I will remember.

This is really the trickiest thing to do and I agree with you.

They they didn't prove it by having a gang as it were around her and there was a lot but technically you thought you know that they could Polish shop and go with but I don't 2-hours a long time.

It's probably very expensive Commission was just too expensive for the for the audience expensive you think you know there's a lot of it.

Yeah, it's Big Show's so I think it was if it had more viewers.

I was getting more advertising despite, how much.

No, they probably pull repeats of Moira pizza Frasier BBC News Channel has moved up to become Charlotte Moss right-hand woman that broadcast magazine has been on the CL about to get back to BBC emotional of the changes to bring to go at the two news channels job and why do you think she's decided not to go back to that one? Maybe she just didn't get on with it and but I would say for my own experience of what the big weeks think at the BBC and they're very behind Deborah Turness on her approach and they like I mean she is a hugely experienced executive they like what she's doing that they're happier with her.

I think they have been with previous or in previous times and I think things like that you know the

Decking and the kind of change of pace that has occurred in some of the news programs given that they're under this tremendous pressure mean this is one of the things that is so sad that the news really has been around at the moment in the news channel isn't working properly we all know that hopefully it will but to when I'm talking about the damage done to the BBC are global broadcast in Ireland and and was services really such an important aspect of the BBC as well, so I do think that we have to remember that there has been a terrible period of a lot of big names going on the other hand if we get reporting good as factual on-the-ground reporting from a new way of BBC journalist Who on thinking all the time politically but I thinking about how we do this in the most accurate way possible in clear language informed telling people what they need.

Even if they don't think they want to know that's what we want for the BBC One trust me.

This is a very sterile debate.

It's not the way normal people think they want me informed and they want it straight and they want it from correspondence some people they respect me Steve Rosenberg is a very good example of this but there aren't maybe enough of them there be able to pay the international domestic news channel potentially just on the opportunity Sky News this week with the coverage of the enquiry and shocking how how much like has been made.

This is what you this is what happens if you

The poison chalice when you can have a lovely job Charlotte Moss right-hand woman and by the way I hate that more needs a huge amount.

I think she's does a brilliant job.

I think my dealings with her.

I want you to part in she's such a kind of honest down-to-earth.

You know knowledgeable person.

I think I would love to be less amount of stuff.

Just having my direct number for she's always polite.

She doesn't come across as an arrogant and she is absolutely right and I do think that attitude and also love of the BBC all those things.

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Holiday McAvoy the back of me some stories in brief Boris Johnson is coming to GB news starting next year the disgraced former Prime Minister that will join as a presenter program make and commentator according to deadline avoid GB news what I come down for the price of Paddington the Prime Minister from Hastings I got news for you to this and it's fine.

I don't really care about GB news.

I can say in my opinion.

It's so pathetic that it feels like the right time for him.

You know the BBC series wing of the Conservative Party all the right wing and right wing political.

So you know it's like the course is going to the Daily Mail to riot completely in a nonsense for them and I was going to host comedian a nonsense is my prediction for do you been used it's not probably doing to have loads and loads for them.

When is slightly badly recorded selfie video and I'll pop up by Imagine an expensive investment but totally on Brantham completely on Brand and you know yeah.

He just give it gives you the whole child and if you feel that kind of person of respectability and good old-fashioned the one that's made a lot of the more right wing libertarian of the GPS coordinates, which I think is a big element of their viewer ship doesn't like Boris Johnson anymore.

Cos they think he impose the lockdown was not enough because of the lockdown and

Mad people think that you know injections resulted in the people having a few days to get rid of trump Shadows all of that you know he's not in that crazy way of the Conservatives right wing politics.

So obviously doesn't like in mind if you're even vaguely you know left to send her then you'll find them ridiculous figure as well.

So I'm not quite sure he was going to appeal to particularly, but it does give the channel some kind of very important.

I get 7x primary election nears coming into and that's why he's going to call some most trouble and that's why they've got him.

I mean this is going to be denouncing whoever he wants to do that's all attacking whoever you are presumably we don't know so it's it's not it's actually a pretty good stroke if your GB news and your investing.

Vets for the rest of his life in a pool Marshall that the the billionaire person who's backing it with other people I think I think you're probably go too far and he won't I don't know Paul Marshall needs to give GB news air of traditionalism to have a better chance of getting the well.

He made you I mean can he wants to Telegraph the point I suppose is that GB news as we know has a number of Ofcom complaints against it it's it's not that it doesn't have some some decent broadcasters on it though.

I'm afraid I just I'm not a natural listening to it, but they do not make any attempt to really balance heart which the others do and so it would be I'm in one of the biggest book.

He was just having like-minded people interviewing each other and that doesn't come across as a public and they still do it mean they really are Fox News really poor guy in the payment offering and is doing if you compare it to other news channels is potentially other entertainment channels.

Obviously not doing very well, but cases for that universe.

Is it still in the rain?

Haven't checked but I should have checked still doing better than talk to you via channel at Dan wootton's gone and also some point particular average points of general TV music on BBC as well, because it's got a consistent audience for their everyday BBC cost of rolling out a new and used service to Gaza BBC Arabic is going to be produced out of London and provide listen castle with the latest information and developments as well as safety advice and white access shelter food and water suppliers for an hour a day currently is this an important service for the BBC senchal? Yes, because you do need a trusted voice and are people out there who probably don't have if they can get access to I mean.

It's a little a small good deed in a very very nasty world.

Criticism some people but I should be doing and whoever decided to do it needs to be commended going to be really helpful if you're in that extraordinarily dire situation the media quiz this week in title setting the record straight statement to the press pub after a particularly news story you tell me who said it and about which story so busy with your name to be know the answer so boys will say boys and Maggie will say Maggie lets setting the record straight right a pole should not have appeared alongside an article of this nature and we are taking steps to help brown and Maggie who did well that was some the Guardian they had a story about a woman for water polo a woman age 21.

I think she was in.

And she was murdered and they just rang the story because obviously they have a big Australian side to them and Microsoft added an AI poll with 3 options about how they thought she might have died.

How people I mean it talk about utterly tasteless utterly horrible.

I mean quite evil really we can all around us human being involve any point.

That's fair enough, but you're absolutely right it so it's an example of how things go wrong so looking for who said this response the Skechers in which makes references to the appearance of a race of a series of people is intended to expose and ridiculous some of the outdated Prejudice and racism that sore it's quiet.

This is Ofcom isn't it from Knock from the BBC iPlayer with with a racist character making racist remarks about to an Asian person and people have not realise the contacts that is about race taking front off the rest of various.

An example of actual ones, this is not a real person this is absolutely so it's a video of drinking up series from the past you to get some acceptable and also some things that maybe don't work in the light of that I cancelled the only fools and reflect changing values and how Society has developed from one state where something is acceptable to being completely unaccept when I have been to see this from Preston I don't know if you've seen it.

There's a a remake at the moment mate.

There's been a re-release of a film made in 1970 on about black actors and it's about the way in which the first wave of the Next Generation as they come over from West Indies was treated and so it.

A kind of predawn up Notting Hill and that isn't so long ago to me and it is absolutely shocking when you when you actually it's based on true.

I think experiences so you can see how things move on and that's an extreme example and that is a film of course which has been brought back into that kind of circulation.

No actually don't think that Little Britain is gonna work particularly well.

It's tonight that he still owned a home worth 2.2 million lb in London although he would not explain to the committee why this was an accurate the complainant also said the article is not balanced off air this is Maggie sorry Matt Hancock yes, who did you say it to the mirror? He's been Furious with the mirror and he's keeps bringing and complaints against them.

A multi complaining person who to complain and most of these have been dismissed advising him to complain about the love nest reference and then come off with that's absolutely absurd, isn't it? And you're not watching him is the main between things to complain about I've watched the clips of him.

I can't I can't put myself through watching the whole thing of SAS who dares wins I have to admit it but the kids have been excruciating in up any time caused the most embarrassing moment of the Coven crossover to Revelation who played a straight bat actually mind having a bat and someone bowling ball at him during the covid crisis.

Nutella for reconstruction of that will be that more of this afternoon the evidence was being taken about how he actually was volunteering to decide who would live and who would die in in the cover crisis.

I mean this comes across the so crass and if you remember he also was a culture secretary time and and did you know deliberating over the future of Channel 4 fortunately he has moved on to make it brown your window with 1 points for Matt sales operation turn off four until the new content fun sorry voice.

The week for an Arsenal I mean, yeah, I've got it on Monday and I'm it's putting the climate crisis.

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